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and many fellow democrats felt romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out and i asked if it was the moderator that bungled that or the president. >> i think the moderator has that job. >> it's up to the president to defend himself? >> absolutely. i am not trying to say the president should not take responsibility for his awful performance, he should have. but i think the criticism to the moderator is also justified. >> go ahead, hanna. >> what the liberals are doing is post debate spinning. it's whining. there's no whining in politics. one person should have challenged what romney was saying and his name is barack obama, and he did not do it. i agree with lz. it was a bit of both. it was a lot of both. president obama was way off, and mitt romney was very much on his game. you know, i don't remember many debates where it's hard to think of a memorable gaffe or a memorable knockout blow, and yet there was a very visible mark that was an undebatable victor of the debate, and it was mitt romney. he did it because for 90 sustained minutes, it was like he was debating a lim
and many fellow democrats felt romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out and i asked if it was the moderator that bungled that or the president. >> i think the moderator has that job. >> it's up to the president to defend himself? >> absolutely. i am not trying to say the president should not take responsibility for his awful performance, he should have. but i think the criticism to the moderator is also justified. >> go ahead, hanna. >> what the...
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romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out. and i asked if he thought the moderator had bungled the responsibility. >> i think the moderators job is to make sure that the things that have been said on the stage is congruent to the things said in the past. not to call them a liar. >> if he has facts about what someone said. but it is up to the president to defend himself. >> absolutely. absolutely. i'm not trying to say the president should not take responsibility for his awful performance. he should have. but some criticism to the moderator is also justified. >> don, what the liberals is doing is postdebate spinning. it's whining. there's no whining in politics. there's one person who should have challenged what mitt romney was saying. his name is president barack obama. and he didn't do it. everyone else doing it afterwards doesn't carry the same punch. and i agree with l.z. it ways bit of both. it was a lot of both. president obama was way off. and mitt romney was very much on his game. i don't remember where debate where's i
romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out. and i asked if he thought the moderator had bungled the responsibility. >> i think the moderators job is to make sure that the things that have been said on the stage is congruent to the things said in the past. not to call them a liar. >> if he has facts about what someone said. but it is up to the president to defend himself. >> absolutely. absolutely. i'm not trying to say the president should not take...
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this was the type of performance that romney brought last night. bill crystal in "the weekly standard" said, romney comes out of the debate with momentum. can his campaign turn a good debate into a true inflection point in the presidential race? so in your estimation, your guy went up against mitt romney in the primary and debates, how does this mitt romney last night compare to the one that your guy debated against and then how does romney seize on this moment to keep up that momentum in the final days? >> well, first of all, i'm not the least bit surprised mitt romney did as well as he did. he did well in the 20 debates rick santorum went up against him. i would also argue one of the big advantages romney had going into the debate was he did have to debate rick santorum, he did have to debate newt gingrich. it is like having a preseason. and the president didn't have that. i think the other key thing that came out of this is the presidential race for all practical purposes actually started last night. a lot of people just didn't know mitt romney
this was the type of performance that romney brought last night. bill crystal in "the weekly standard" said, romney comes out of the debate with momentum. can his campaign turn a good debate into a true inflection point in the presidential race? so in your estimation, your guy went up against mitt romney in the primary and debates, how does this mitt romney last night compare to the one that your guy debated against and then how does romney seize on this moment to keep up that...
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the question is, can jesus stain it beyond one night. >> in any number of areas what governor romney has done as he said laid, said last night he laid out the broad principles but now you have gotten specific about the good parts, the carrot if you will and very vague about the stick. >> obama is brilliant in a speech, a peach is different than when you are in an argument and when you are in an argument if you don't bring passion to your argument the other side is generally going to win and what you say almost matters as much as how you say it, and the scary thing about politics is, substance aside, you know, a lot of the journalist whose know the substance on these issues are debating with themselves who was more accurate and who was not. when you listen to the person in the street, the voter, the juror who i speak to, they say i understood romney, i didn't understand obama. i liked romney's style, i didn't like the president laying down. >> rose: we conclude this evening with barbara, a computer scientist and author, her book on voting heens is called broken ballots, will your vote
the question is, can jesus stain it beyond one night. >> in any number of areas what governor romney has done as he said laid, said last night he laid out the broad principles but now you have gotten specific about the good parts, the carrot if you will and very vague about the stick. >> obama is brilliant in a speech, a peach is different than when you are in an argument and when you are in an argument if you don't bring passion to your argument the other side is generally going to...
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romney demolished that last night. how is it going to appear to anybody who has seen romney demolish that. >> bill: i agree. romney has to also. >> he has to use his stuff wisely. >> bill: he has got to come up with a theme. romney doesn't have a theme yet. what he done last night was won the debate on his own personal command of the issues. now he has got to get a theme for the second and third debate. and the theme i would assume would be president's incompetent. he is a not doing it on the economy or overseas. last word, charld? >> unfortunately you are wrong. that's the tact that he has tried. the guy is a good guy but he failed. it didn't work. that's the clint eastwood line. his attack has to be what he did last night. this is trickle down government. the reason everything has gone wrong, the debt is high. the economy is struggling. unemployment is high is because is he a trickle down government guy. that's where he scored all his points. if he keeps it up with a barrage of that from here to election day, he wins
romney demolished that last night. how is it going to appear to anybody who has seen romney demolish that. >> bill: i agree. romney has to also. >> he has to use his stuff wisely. >> bill: he has got to come up with a theme. romney doesn't have a theme yet. what he done last night was won the debate on his own personal command of the issues. now he has got to get a theme for the second and third debate. and the theme i would assume would be president's incompetent. he is a not...
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romney, governor romney, is able to say something like, well, all pre-existing conditions will be covered and then have his guy go out later this night and tell a few people who read the newspapers, oh, it doesn't really cover you unless you're already covered which doesn't mean anything. your thoughts, ron. will television deceive. ? >> yes, it does deceive. candidates deceive. it's one of the most disturbing aspects of this campaign, particularly if romney would win. it would set a standard of dishonesty for all campaigns going forward that would be really hard to meet. going into the next debate, i have been listening to your discussions thus far today, and i agree with you you don't want obama to relitigate the last debate and i agree he has to attack romney the man. it's not about rearguing the medicare issue as such. it's about revealing the fact that romney has been all over the map on various issues, will say anything on a given day to get through the day, and he has to be unmasked that way. >> well, that's what i would do, michelle. the facts are that romney believes basically th
romney, governor romney, is able to say something like, well, all pre-existing conditions will be covered and then have his guy go out later this night and tell a few people who read the newspapers, oh, it doesn't really cover you unless you're already covered which doesn't mean anything. your thoughts, ron. will television deceive. ? >> yes, it does deceive. candidates deceive. it's one of the most disturbing aspects of this campaign, particularly if romney would win. it would set a...
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that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor is if i come in and lay down a piece of legislation and say, it's my way or the highway, i don't get a lot done. what i do is the same way that tip o'neal and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was going to foster. >> so it's about principles, not actual hard plans. in a million years did you ever think that a victory could come out of this debate base odd vagueness? i ask that because knowing in we knew all of the weapons both could quite honestly use and weapons the moderator would have available to press both
that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor is if i come in and lay down a piece of legislation...
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>> where's mitt romney's small plan? >> you heard it last night. he has an entitlement reform plan, tax plan, corporate tax plan, energy plan, trade plan. the president doesn't. and i think it really showed. he imagined he was going to get through this race simply by disqualifying romney. they almost did it during the summer. they came this close. >> hold on a second. >> i want to ask you something. the whole debate last night was obama saying no to romney's agenda. we all learned romney's agenda. nobody learned obama's agenda. now he's going back to negativism. this is a huge mistake. let me tell you something else romney did to get reaction. your man obama is going to have so much trouble. romney said to 68 million viewers, i can make a deal. i can go across the aisle like i did in massachusetts. in fact he even said about his tax reform plan, if you don't like the specific version let's talk about some other options. but you, mr. president, you couldn't make a deal. you had a deal, you broke the deal with john boehner. that's what the woodward b
>> where's mitt romney's small plan? >> you heard it last night. he has an entitlement reform plan, tax plan, corporate tax plan, energy plan, trade plan. the president doesn't. and i think it really showed. he imagined he was going to get through this race simply by disqualifying romney. they almost did it during the summer. they came this close. >> hold on a second. >> i want to ask you something. the whole debate last night was obama saying no to romney's agenda. we...
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>> last night romney who spent long hours preparing for tomorrow's debate said the stakes are greater than simply crowning a winner of the debate. >> people want to know who's going to win? who's going to score the punches and who's going to make the biggest difference and the arguments they make, and there's going to be all the scoring of winning and losing. you know, in my view, it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself. it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. >> the president meanwhile spent most of the day yesterday preparing for the debate. at his nevada campaign headquarters. taking a break to deliver pizza to one of the local campaign offices. he then started working the phones to thank volunteers. >> that was very nice, you know. you know, although basically they're keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they're making me do my homework. >> also in henderson, nevada, last night, just eight miles away from wher
>> last night romney who spent long hours preparing for tomorrow's debate said the stakes are greater than simply crowning a winner of the debate. >> people want to know who's going to win? who's going to score the punches and who's going to make the biggest difference and the arguments they make, and there's going to be all the scoring of winning and losing. you know, in my view, it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself. it's about...
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mitt romney won and we said that last night. we established it yard. but -- beyond a reasonable doubt. romney could have really gone n the last -- he had the last word. all right in the last word is big and he won the coin flip and not too many people know this but when lehrer flipped the coin he sprained his wrist, all right? he tough it out. it played with the pain throughout the whole thing. now, what romney should have done was after all of this he should have looked at the camera and said you know what? i'm glad we're here tonight because this is the most important exposition that i have seen. you saw two people here. one who wants free market capitalism and the other who wants communism or whatever you want to label it. all right? say this is really really vital and just gone right in because he had him but he didn't knock him to the canvas. you say? >> mitt knew that he had creamed him and was actually being charitable, i think. >> bill: at the end he didn't want? that's not really how you knock him out. >> who chose to go first? did obama choos
mitt romney won and we said that last night. we established it yard. but -- beyond a reasonable doubt. romney could have really gone n the last -- he had the last word. all right in the last word is big and he won the coin flip and not too many people know this but when lehrer flipped the coin he sprained his wrist, all right? he tough it out. it played with the pain throughout the whole thing. now, what romney should have done was after all of this he should have looked at the camera and said...
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night on style. >> it looked lielg romney wanted to be there and obama didn't want to be there. >> the challenger, mitt romney seemed more presidential than the president, more in command of miss facts, gums, principles. >> that was the frustration wrchl was the president tonight. >> the other media exaggerating the extent of the president's loss and ignoring the candidate's half truths in the process. fox news hypes the conservative website video of barack obama as a rashlgly charged revelation. >> on the eve of the first prez denl chal debate the first bomb is about to d dropped for the 2012 presidential white house. >> it was covered at the time. a right wing commentators trying to portray their president as an angry black man. plus the other big debate, jon stewart versus bill o'reilly. >> income redistribution. do you believe in it? >> do you? >> no. i asked first. >> it's a complicated one. i believe in social security. do you? >> yes, absolutely. >> so we're both socialists. >> no, no. >> was this clash of titan television or was it shtick? i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable
night on style. >> it looked lielg romney wanted to be there and obama didn't want to be there. >> the challenger, mitt romney seemed more presidential than the president, more in command of miss facts, gums, principles. >> that was the frustration wrchl was the president tonight. >> the other media exaggerating the extent of the president's loss and ignoring the candidate's half truths in the process. fox news hypes the conservative website video of barack obama as a...
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apparently new jersey governor chris christie didn't get the memo that romney sucks at this. >> i think you will see the numbers start to move right back in the other direction. >> in whole race will be turned upside down come thursday morning. >> what are you doing, christi? >> for god's sake if romney fails to meet those heavy expectations he will lose the general election creating chaos in the republican party and leave out 2016 -- oh! >> the jersey is strong in this one. >> so all these guys to have a mild familiarity with the english language and it is considered a win. can we hear from someone not affiliated with the campaigns, what their expectation might be? >> both men have a monumental undertaking for the first debate, one of them has to come off as nicer and less air began than he really is and the other has to be zero more normal and lestrange than he really is. >> jon: then how did we end up with these two idiots? look, we are not looking for coherent ideology, americans are just looking for assurance the next president isn't going to be a weirdo. who thinks she better than
apparently new jersey governor chris christie didn't get the memo that romney sucks at this. >> i think you will see the numbers start to move right back in the other direction. >> in whole race will be turned upside down come thursday morning. >> what are you doing, christi? >> for god's sake if romney fails to meet those heavy expectations he will lose the general election creating chaos in the republican party and leave out 2016 -- oh! >> the jersey is strong in...
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governor mitt romney was the decisive winner in last night's presidential debate. in just a moment, i will be joined for an exclusive interview by both governor romney and his runningmate, congressman paul ryan. even the most left-wing observers have conceded that their candzidate bombed without his teleprompter last night. obama aides are trying to pin it all on mitt romney. believe it or not, they are accusing the governor of lying. of course, they are the ones that are. watch this. >> again and again and again, he told the story to the american people that is completely... in contrast with what he said before and unfounded in fact. and that's going to catch up with him. i give him credit for strong performance. i give him an "f" for being honest with the american people. >> sean: for 90 minutes, president obama lied about his record and president obama lied about what he would do in a second term. you want proof? here it is. >> if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth, the truth. >> the fact check. >> this claim is based on a fiscal fic
governor mitt romney was the decisive winner in last night's presidential debate. in just a moment, i will be joined for an exclusive interview by both governor romney and his runningmate, congressman paul ryan. even the most left-wing observers have conceded that their candzidate bombed without his teleprompter last night. obama aides are trying to pin it all on mitt romney. believe it or not, they are accusing the governor of lying. of course, they are the ones that are. watch this. >>...
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both preppin f the big debate morr night. remember when newt gingrich clked the governo in the south carolina debate last spring, romney came back strong in florida. the man whohelped prepare t deb, brett o'donnell joins us now. youeally know this turf because you worked for john mccain when he r ain barak a in 2008 and n in the primary season,ou worked for tt romney. let's assess the governor's weas debater first. strengths? >> wl, i think the governor is a very good messenger. he's a good orator, hecan deliver a speech. he's very good when he's on messand on offense. as you saw in the debates in flora ag when heot g offense, the governor was very effective. when he leans int a debate, he can be pretty fective. >> bill: allight. weness? >> weaknesses, whe he gets -- ke most every politician, when he gets defensive, that's when he mes mistakes. the $10,0 bet came when governorromney was being defensive abt his health care policynd instances where other debaters have been able to get him on the defense and when that happens, h
both preppin f the big debate morr night. remember when newt gingrich clked the governo in the south carolina debate last spring, romney came back strong in florida. the man whohelped prepare t deb, brett o'donnell joins us now. youeally know this turf because you worked for john mccain when he r ain barak a in 2008 and n in the primary season,ou worked for tt romney. let's assess the governor's weas debater first. strengths? >> wl, i think the governor is a very good messenger. he's a...
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it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people out of the bush recession. hopefully over time once we see numbers moving in the right direction, moody's is projecting 10 million more jobs over next 10 years, i'm sorry over next four years. boston consulting saying will get two million manufacturing jobs over the next couple of years. so these are we're on the right track. these are the metrics that need to be brought up and should have been brought up last night in the debate. >> alan, do you know anybody on food stamps or government assistance, alan? >> i do. yeah. >> okay. and
it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people...
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talk about the other big revision today because last night on fox, mitt romney made his latest comments on 47%. it's taken him three weeks to get there. now he's saying he was completely wrong. >> yeah, andrea, i would say his comments, remember on september 18th, i think it was, when he came out and did that press conference right after the 47% tape came out, he said it wasn't eloquently stated. he said it was off the cuff. he came nowhere near saying it was wrong and i apologize for it. three weeks on, he's apologizing. what's fascinating, andrea, i would bet a lot of money which in my world isn't all that much, but say i would bet $5 that mitt romney had the line he used with sean hannity ready to use in the debate when he, of course, expected barack obama would attack him in some way, shape, or form on the 47% comment. barack obama never did so, which i continue to find baffling strategically, but mitt romney i think wanted to get it out there in the air before october 16th and the next debate. my guess what he'll do, when barack obama almost assuredly attacks him in the october 16t
talk about the other big revision today because last night on fox, mitt romney made his latest comments on 47%. it's taken him three weeks to get there. now he's saying he was completely wrong. >> yeah, andrea, i would say his comments, remember on september 18th, i think it was, when he came out and did that press conference right after the 47% tape came out, he said it wasn't eloquently stated. he said it was off the cuff. he came nowhere near saying it was wrong and i apologize for it....